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5 years 1 month ago #107672 by Robert Menard
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Police Board warned of sovereign movement
By Chet Greason, Staff reporter

There’s a small contingent of individuals in Canada who are rethinking the way they interact with the government and the culture at large. The Freeman on the Land and their unique ideology have been around for a number of years, with pockets in London, Guelph, and Owen Sound, elsewhere in British Columbia and Quebec, and beyond to places like Scotland and New Zealand. However, up until last month, the sovereign movement has been somewhat unheard of in Perth County.

Then, at the most recent St. Marys Police Services Board meeting, Perth County OPP Detachment Commander Steve Porter brought up the movement, saying Perth OPP had had a run-in with someone in North Perth claiming to be a Freeman on the Land. He described the movement as an “interesting group” who don’t acknowledge government associations and believe they have the right to move about without government intervention. The local detachment has since received training on how to deal with these individuals, who drive without driver’s licenses.

The St. Marys Journal Argus sought out the Freemen in an effort to better understand how they function, and eventually came into contact with Rob Menard, a leader in the movement with a number of videos on YouTube explaining how the lifestyle works.

“The problem we see is that so many people agree to be bound by statutes, never read them, and then assume there exists duties under that Act,” he explains through email correspondence. “They then claim we too are bound by those words, though we never agreed. We study and read that same Act, realize the limits of authority granted and obligations generated, and then operate within the law. The people who have never read the Act and assume it is the law then claim we are breaking the law.”

Menard says a large part of the Freeman stance comes from this distinction between law and statutes. “If you imagine the law as that which allows us to contract, and then statutes as the terms of a contract, you will get close to our perspective,” he says. “It is our position that contracts require mutual consent, as does membership in a society.”

Freemen literature found online describes the Canadian government as a corporation, no different than a company like Wal-Mart, with citizens operating as employees; but, goes the thinking, if you don’t want to be employed by Wal-Mart and follow their rules, why should you?

When asked about some specifics, Menard paints a picture of a somewhat subjective movement; some Freemen are secular, some devoutly spiritual; all desire to not be told what to do by a higher (human) authority. Adherents will often pick and choose what tenants of society apply to them, such as public healthcare. “Many have been convinced that healthcare requires them to pay, but these are the same people who have never read the applicable statutes, nor examined what their rights are according to certain UN covenants to which Canada is a signatory,” says Menard. “Some step out of the system, and still maintain certain relationships, kind of like a child slowly learning to swim or walk. Others would simply ask for a bill, then exercise their right to access the common wealth to discharge it or claim the right to healthcare.”

Other tenants of Canadian citizenry, such as voting, are definitely inapplicable. Menard equates voting to “…the children deciding who they will have as a babysitter.”

Part of the major clash between Freemen and law enforcement comes because both sides are carrying out what they see as the letter of the law. Freemen interpret certain rules as being optional or non-applicable, while police see them as non-negotiable. Driving without a driver’s license is a good example of this, and YouTube abounds with videos of Freemen and police arguing over the issue (Freemen also often film themselves during altercations).

Should a Freeman cause an accident- for example, with their vehicle- Menard says they will be held liable and be subject to the courts, although most Freemen would rather use the courts as little as possible.

“Most Freemen are loath to use such institutions, as they are a place for people who could not resolve their conflicts,” explains Menard. “It is a place for children, and those who seek power. Most Freemen would follow the law, and offer discussion and negotiation, then pay for the damages they caused.”

Constable Kees Wijnands of the Perth County OPP verifies that the only known run-ins between police and Freemen in Perth County have been with Freemen passing through. He says that the special training the OPP received dealt with informing officers about the nature of the philosophy. “(The training showed) how best to deal with them while still properly respecting freedom of expression, while at the same time ensuring public safety and upholding the law,” he said. He adds that, if there’s a traffic offense of some kind, the driver must identify themselves. “That’s usually the issue, and there’s usually an arrest for failure to identify …they’re just trying to test the system and make their point.

“It’s not our job to play into ideological ideas. Our job is to enforce the law. To us, it’s black and white,” says Wijnands. “We have rules in order to maintain an orderly society. If they see differently, there’s going to be an issue there.”

Wijnands also added the O.P.P.’s hate crime/extremism unit is keeping an eye on the movement. “Anytime we’re dealing with an organization with extreme views, we need to keep tabs on them,” he said.

But Rob Menard doesn’t see the Freemen on the Land as going away anytime soon. “Either seven generations from now, the Freemen will be a little burp in the corporate created history books, or people will be free and enjoying true abundance,” he says. “…We will be seen as the heroes who, during a very dark night, got out of bed, lit the fires, manned the battlements, and gave the warning that corporations were attacking our rights and freedoms and had hijacked our political and justice systems.”
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5 years 1 month ago #107675 by freeverlasting
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5 years 1 month ago - 5 years 1 month ago #107761 by NDT
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Wijnands wrote: “Anytime we’re dealing with an organization with extreme views, we need to keep tabs on them,”


The doctrine of necessity seems to have originated with the Roman justitium, in which Roman law was suspended if the empire was threatened.

Rob, you mentioned in your talk on the Vinny Eastwood show that you could identify five core problems that were being raised by the occupy movement. In my opinion there is one core problem: that Roman law is incompatible with the roots of English common law. Roman law form the basis of civil law and western civil government and is typified as a predatory system, while English common law (although affected to some degree by Roman law) can be typified as system for guarding the wellbeing of the people and their environment.

Either you pay tribute to Rome with taxes and obedience or you pay tribute to the source by knowing and keeping the law of nature.
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5 years 1 month ago #107764 by Pete
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Vulturum non capit muscam!

Claimed by the sword and immortalised by the pen.

Slaves speak of freedom like fish do of flying.
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5 years 4 weeks ago - 5 years 4 weeks ago #107859 by freethinker8
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It’s not our job to play into ideological ideas.


Correct. It's your job to uphold the law, and protect the people from abuse and crime, including that committed by public servants.

Upholding the law means respecting the freedoms of people, and not exceeding jurisdiction.

Our job is to enforce the law. To us, it’s black and white


It is black and white. You protect us from criminals, and from negligence, and THAT'S ALL.
You do not get to regulate our private lives. You work for us. Not the other way around.

We are not slaves. Slavery is unlawful. We're only subject if we consent OR negatively impact others to an extent which gives them the ability to make a legal claim against us, and appoint you to address the conflict on their behalf.

Indeed....it is black and white.

Seems too many public servants are color blind though.

We have rules in order to maintain an orderly society.


Indeed. Rules such as freedom, equality, and the requirement of establishing jurisdiction before you impose upon someone.

Rules such as innocence until proven guilty.

Rules such as.....the people are the highest authority in the land. NOT the government.

If they see differently, there’s going to be an issue there.


There is a huge issue there. Incompetence on the part of public servants, who fail to comprehend the limits of their own authority.

They have SOME authority (to arrest criminals, etc.) but NOT absolute authority.



I'm thankful for his understanding, and our agreement. :)

It's good when we can all agree.
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5 years 4 weeks ago - 5 years 4 weeks ago #107862 by freethinker8
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Anytime we’re dealing with an organization with extreme views, we need to keep tabs on them


Excellent. Let's hope they're keeping tabs on the police, the government, and all other agencies with the extreme delusional view that they have the right to regulate the private lives of people.

If they aren't keeping tabs on these organizations they're failing in their duty to the people.

If they support the extreme views of the police and government, in thinking they get to regulate the private lives of people, then they their selves need someone to "keep tabs on them"
In which case, they won't mind us filming and recording their actions to "keep tabs on them"....after all...they condone keeping tabs on organizations with extreme views.

If it's not OK for us to keep tabs on them....then it must not be OK for them to keep tabs on any other organization.

Law requires we default to equality NOT double standards.
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4 years 10 months ago - 4 years 10 months ago #112246 by Meta
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I'm happy, now that you Gentlemen have identified the extremists. Do the De Facto, Corporate Courts fly a gold-fringed military, war flag of a Foreign Nation? If being at war with a Peaceful populace is not extreme, I don't know what is.

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4 years 9 months ago #113402 by barefootbowie
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I WAS ASKED STRAIGHT OUT IF I WAS A FREEMAN ON THE LAND in MIRIAMVALE QUEENSLAND AUSTRALIA.....LMFAO .....it is a country village of about 1500 people 500km north of Brisbane.............I was run off the road 2am rolled my car carrier loaded down a 3 meter embankment ............when the local poicy enforcer turned up ,we went through the usual accident stuff , no probs ,no charges or fines I was the innocent victim of an accident...............but then he asked me about a warrant that was showing on his computer.....I asked if it was a proper judicial warrant issuued in a court de jure by a jury of 12 people like our constitution requires,.................he told me its too do with breaching a protection order .......i said , ok thats first I have heard about it ,and that would be funny because the only protection order i have ever had is the same one that I am suing a magistrate for , she allowed perjury and it was held in a court of starchamber, the court of starchamber was abolished as the first reform act of THE LONG PARLIMENT OF THE UK , enacted on the 5th of july 1641 and is still totally unlawful ,SINGLE JUDGE(.........................................................................the copper stopped , I could see his mind trying to process the speel I had just laid on him,....then he said straight out "YOUR A FREEMAN ON THE LAND ARENT YOU".........I said not yet buddy havent done my notice of understanding and intent or claim of right yet , but very soon I will be and will be driving past your police station without a licence what do you think about that?......he said GOOD LUCKB WIYH THAT I AM GOING TO NAIL YOU.....I said thats fine I will take your tickets under protest and duress then nail you back....he got in his car and drove off. lmfao.......a little village copper knows what a FREEMAN ON THE LAND is.....this movement is bigger and more well known then you would imagine..thats GREAT NEWS

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4 years 9 months ago #113434 by Meta
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Nice moves, ex lax.

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4 years 9 months ago #113457 by barefootbowie
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I am happy to put FREEMAN ON THE LAND as the name on the front bug deflector of my truck...............It would be piss funny, my boss is a little more cautious than me lol but he hasnt said no yet, he has a Q.C friend that keeps stealing his nerve..his Q.C has admitted they cant really stop me from becoming a FREEMAN , but he did warn that I will spend more time in court and getting arrested over the next 2 yrs then I will working, will get pulled over ,grounded , hassled, threatened,arrested and fined..I may get beaten, maced,tazered or shot maybe all at the same time .....but if I am insane enough and survive eventually they will just red flag my name and leave me alone..........He also said I have the worst possible work to try this ,because I do commerce in a public space , I am already subject to roadside blitzes daily and highways get blocked for days n nights, and my police and transport history is colourful and controvertial and nobody can hear you scream in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night,lmfao .......I said they already hassle, threaten , fine and arrest me , so whats the difference?

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